{"id":32,"date":"2008-07-03T01:00:36","date_gmt":"2008-07-03T08:00:36","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.stormtiger.com\/collie\/bestiary\/?p=32"},"modified":"2010-07-20T08:25:26","modified_gmt":"2010-07-20T15:25:26","slug":"32","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.stormtiger.com\/collie\/bestiary\/2008\/07\/32\/","title":{"rendered":"Women, bad boys, blahblahblah: The Redux! part III"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Continuing from yesterday&#8230;<\/p>\n<h3>Replies<\/h3>\n<p><b>Erin<\/b><br \/>\n(Brace yourself, Erin: I&#8217;m going to gush a little. *<i>coughcough<\/i>* Ahem. ;) )<\/p>\n<p>Thank goodness for folks like you, who don&#8217;t just think things through before acting &#8212; but try their best to pass that on to friends and children!<\/p>\n<p>Heh. All gushing aside, I&#8217;ve really enjoyed reading your calmly practical, rational advice on how you address complex issues. It&#8217;s been quite inspiring. Thank you! <\/p>\n<p><b>John<\/b><br \/>\nHm. Glancing at the amazon reviews for the book you&#8217;ve linked to above, I find myself wondering how this is new, regarding dating: both &#8220;Make it fun, be happy with your self and get down with your sexual self!&#8221; and &#8220;Avoid the crazy!&#8221; seem pretty basic rules for <i>life<\/i>, let alone dating. I admit I was not conventionally raised, but am I missing something obvious here? Serious question, please.<\/p>\n<p>Regarding women bonding quickly after sex, I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;d agree. I can offhand think of two or three former lovers where I woke up the next morning, thought, &#8220;This was a mistake,&#8221; and got out as quickly and smoothly as I could &#8212; and I know I&#8217;m not unique in my absolute refusal to &#8220;bond&#8221; with &#8220;crazy.&#8221; In fact, I&#8217;d have to say I&#8217;ve seen more men immediately bond and cling &#8212; far more quickly, and for longer &#8212; than the women I&#8217;ve seen do it.<\/p>\n<p>The difference in our perceptions here, I think, is that while men are possibly more possessive of their partners after sex than women are, society and the media only show <i>women<\/i> performing this trope. I suspect the basis of that immediate male &#8220;bonding&#8221; is the concept that having sex once with a woman somehow makes her your exclusive property. That&#8217;s a rather disgusting concept I&#8217;ll be glad to see wither away and die completely.<\/p>\n<p>However, if what you really mean by &#8220;bonding&#8221; is the woman believing the relationship has progressed further emotionally than the man does, I can see that. I blame our culture in that case, since it definitely tries to teach women their sexuality is their sole bartering chip, regarding social status &#8212; while at the same time trying to teach men they should be &#8220;players&#8221; and sleep with as many women as possible for social status (i.e. a version of the conclusions of the Yahoo dating article I link to above). Consequently a woman likely values her sexual availability more than a man will: if she says yes to sex society has taught her she should believe she&#8217;s granted something amazing and precious, while he is supposed to believe he can make another notch on his metaphorical bedpost, and then move on to the next woman.<\/p>\n<p>Yes, that attitude is fading, and thank goodness. It&#8217;s not really healthy to reduce people to sex toys like that.<\/p>\n<p>Re &#8220;pulling away slightly,&#8221; I&#8217;d have to say that can really be taken too far (I know just about anything can be taken too far, of course; I&#8217;m simply addressing my experiences in regard to this statement). There&#8217;s only a certain amount of time I&#8217;m willing to invest in pursuing someone, and only so many times I&#8217;m going to believe them when they enthusiastically agree to meet and do lunch, or whatever &#8212; and then can&#8217;t ever be bothered to actually reply to invitations or set a date. That&#8217;s when I realize they&#8217;re not worth the trouble, and mentally re-categorize them as &#8220;not that interesting.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Of course, this may be part of why I don&#8217;t really have much trouble with bad boys too. :)<\/p>\n<p>Re your comment: &#8220;Decisive is a positive masculine trait&#8221; &#8212; please tell me you do not actually believe it is a &#8220;masculine&#8221; trait, but rather you were trying to say that it is a trait women like finding in men?<\/p>\n<p><b>Fire<\/b><br \/>\nI confess I&#8217;m often bemused by the media fascination with bad boys, as well as why so many women seem to fall for them. I remember a photo of a well-known TV bad boy being shown to me by a friend. Alas, she gave me no warning this was the object of a crush of hers, and she was not happy when I exasperatedly asked why so many guys seemed to think what women wanted was men who were unshaven, whiny, pouty, and unable to speak in complete and coherent sentences!<\/p>\n<p>Regarding the issue of respect&#8230; it&#8217;s my suspicion only women who do not respect <i>themselves<\/i> are willing to put up with disrespect from partners who are supposed to be in love with them. Congratulations on your wonderful sweetie, by the way! :)<\/p>\n<p>More thoughts tomorrow! :)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Continuing from yesterday&#8230; Replies Erin (Brace yourself, Erin: I&#8217;m going to gush a little. *coughcough* Ahem. ;) ) Thank goodness for folks like you, who&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":12,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[18,3,7,8],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-32","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-firestarter","category-anthropology","category-family","category-feminism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.stormtiger.com\/collie\/bestiary\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/32","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.stormtiger.com\/collie\/bestiary\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.stormtiger.com\/collie\/bestiary\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.stormtiger.com\/collie\/bestiary\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/12"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.stormtiger.com\/collie\/bestiary\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=32"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/www.stormtiger.com\/collie\/bestiary\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/32\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":2016,"href":"https:\/\/www.stormtiger.com\/collie\/bestiary\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/32\/revisions\/2016"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.stormtiger.com\/collie\/bestiary\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=32"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.stormtiger.com\/collie\/bestiary\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=32"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.stormtiger.com\/collie\/bestiary\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=32"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}